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can you hear me dude

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i can hear you now

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it did the same thing it did last time

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oh that's wonderful

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oh it's gonna mute you so when i do it

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again just watch your little mute button

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tuesday

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i'm ben

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i'm joe and this is where we talk about

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ufos aliens and all things weird all

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things weird baby we're gonna figure

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that out one of these days oh yeah i

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should have made it longer hell yeah

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that was my bee dude so hey there's a

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couple different things today right a

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couple different things the first first

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thing the elephant in the room that i'd

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like to discuss with everybody right now

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let's get it out of the way

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yes it's tuesday we know okay it's

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tuesday

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monday was yesterday and today's just

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another day and today's tuesday

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also we're topless dude it's totally

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topless to topic tuesday and on totally

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topless two topic tuesdays we're gonna

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have two topics that we like to discuss

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totally topless yeah sometimes we'll

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have guests sometimes we won't sometimes

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it'll just be us dudes just talking

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about some cool stuff topless right yeah

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yeah

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i like it dude i'll be topless though

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you're gonna yes yes

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what bin said he's gonna be topless so

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just letting you know

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um

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but just think about that for for the

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future that we could talk about you know

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two topics but also be topless but also

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be topless yeah it's clever it's clever

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so this one's gonna be a little bit

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different usually during the show we go

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down rabbit holes we have like these

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long drawn out conversations about

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burritos and like

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you know stuff but this is gonna be a

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little bit different this is gonna be

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you know this is the first one that

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we've done so we're not really too sure

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but i'm thinking maybe like a 30 minute

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segment where we get into some stuff it

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stays serious we stay on topic

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and uh and we do the damn thing you know

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have a little fun with it

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we're just trying to figure stuff out

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you know

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that's what we're trying to that's what

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that's what we're trying to do

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all right well do you want to get this

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started or what hell yeah let's do it

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let's bring in our guests jamie and brie

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from that one time i was abducted by

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aliens what's happening hello hello

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welcome to topless tuesdays this is such

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a good idea i know it's going to be fun

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we're excited we're excited to have you

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all here with us we are super excited to

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be here yeah we love you guys so

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it's going to be a great tuesday

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you sound so excited for me

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you should you should feel happy because

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we were like you know what nobody's ever

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going to be down to do anything like

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this with us and we were like wait a

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second

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bree and jamie might so yeah y'all are

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the first ones to pop into our heads

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honestly you know what's funny is you

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you you guys texted me at like one

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o'clock in the morning my time which i

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know is like 3 a.m your time so when you

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first texted me i was like they have had

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some of the devil's lettuce and they're

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being creative i know a good

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conversation is about to happen and i

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probably texted you guys back in like

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2.5 seconds and i was like yep let's go

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let's do it

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yes yes yes

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when she called me the next day and told

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me i was like

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that's new i like thinking outside of

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the box okay yeah

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ben and i called each other the next day

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i remember talking to you on the phone

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jb i was like hey hey are you up i have

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a feeling you have a crazy idea

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hope your boyfriend doesn't try to come

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over here

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no honestly he was like he was like

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you're gonna do what he's like okay then

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all right live your life and i was like

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well thank you sir

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yes yes yeah

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my wife was like that's going to be so

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good that's a great idea you're going to

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hit like a whole different audience that

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we didn't even know existed yet

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hey let's see

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my wife had the same exact reaction she

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was like well when do i come in when can

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i come by for my cameo damn everyone

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come in partner was so supportive

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besides mine i guess

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he wasn't he wasn't not supportive he

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just gave you a weird fatherly look like

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what's going on over here like busting

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in the room like looked over was like

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looking at me so weird

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that's okay you were like i'm doing this

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for you

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i was like hey if we get if we're

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millionaires that's fine and he was like

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no no she go she goes she goes we're

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fighting equality

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no way

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let's go do this for because i love you

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oh my god that's exactly what i said was

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fighting equality it's for sexism

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that's what we do here right

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it's what we're known for

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yeah

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it is it is i don't over know that

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that's totally what we're known for

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nice hell yeah dude

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well anyways let's get into it dude

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let's do it let's get to the first topic

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ladies you guys heard me at the

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beginning you also kind of know about

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the topics we're gonna run down two

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topics and uh we're gonna spend about 15

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maybe 20 minutes on each and just kind

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of throw around some opinions if you

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know some answers give some answers

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right because it's all uh questions and

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and what ifs right absolutely cool

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perfect perfect let's get this going all

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right so the first one i came across a

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post i found it to be pretty interesting

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and uh i had a lot of mixed feelings

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about it so i kind of wanted to get you

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guys opinions and uh see what you

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thought so the post is basically about

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this guy right and he says that he's a

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member of the ert which is the

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experiencer resource team uh it's a sort

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of a move on uh that does nothing but

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speak to people

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uh who suspect that they may have had

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contact um well mufon just issued a

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stern edict that

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completely strips all confidentiality

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assurances from the ert along with other

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major negative changes experiences will

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no longer be allowed to contact the ert

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directly for safe and private

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conversation with someone knowledgeable

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for some advice and for help and for a

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friendly ear mufon will now require all

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experiencers to publicly post a formal

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and detailed general siting report with

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their personal contact information on it

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and regular nuts and bolts field

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investigators will now handle these

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folks the field investigator is now

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totally in charge and will decide if he

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or she will even let the experiencer

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talk to an ert member like myself

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so just going from there i i would like

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to get more clarification on the story

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uh yeah i haven't had time to like dive

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into it a hundred percent which is kind

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of how everybody's life is right so on

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the top well at face value when we're

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kind of reading this you know my my

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emotions kind of went kind of both ways

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and i sat on it i thought about it and

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then my mind kind of swayed back the

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other way a little bit but uh i i think

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we can all kind of assume like where our

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emotions will probably lie in this

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conversation but let's go ahead and

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we'll just start with well ben let's

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start with with you right let's let's

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see what uh what what your thoughts are

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on this

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i mean if if i were

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gonna be talking to anybody about an

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experience i had it would definitely

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prevent me from

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releasing any information especially

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like my face and my name and and

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just intimate details like

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i i personally haven't experienced this

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but i do know others that have

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experienced really traumatic stuff so

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you're being very vulnerable uh and and

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for that to be an open public resource

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that anybody can access you know you're

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like your employer or your neighbor i'd

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rather not

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have that associated with my name on the

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internet i'd i i would think that uh

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an establishment uh such as mufon i mean

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maybe we don't know the full story yeah

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but i would i would i would assume like

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uh based on on this this new development

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that it does feel like

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there's there's a window of

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vulnerability that you're leaving out uh

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out there and accessible that maybe not

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everybody would want like it doesn't

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like it would make me not ever want to

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contact mufon like

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and again i might be right

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we might that might be not

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the full story that's almost a sense of

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security that you no longer feel like

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you have right yeah well it almost seems

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like too that this this

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what's that the letters for it

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the

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aoi msg

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it seems like what they're kind of doing

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it kind of is like counseling these

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people so it's almost like they have

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this doctor uh

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patient confidentiality between the two

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where you can talk about these traumatic

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things and when you're stripping that

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away and it seems like they're trying to

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come at it from a much more like um

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they're trying to analyze it so they

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want information and data and not the

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private parts of the conversation and

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sometimes people are reporting different

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things to an investigator and something

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different to somebody who they're just

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kind of like letting their trauma out

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into so i think that if they do that

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it's going to change the way that they

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gather information it's going to make it

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so much more analytical and so much more

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about the numbers and things it's going

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to take away the personal part of the

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experience

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yeah absolutely

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such a good point too ben that an

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especially now that things are becoming

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um ufology is kind of being a little bit

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more mainstream these days

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i mean could you imagine

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being

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judged by your employer for that it

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wouldn't that be interesting if in the

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future that's something that they

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actually look for or if they try to

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connect that with mental illness or you

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know things like that that would make me

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super uncomfortable i would never go to

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move on at all

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and it sucks that they're taking that

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away from people and it just reminds me

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about how there are theories out there

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that move on is actually

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working with the government you know

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kind of like the person you go to and

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then they hold all these materials like

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if people send them samples instead of

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them actually sending into a lab or you

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know whatever that they're holding on to

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those samples and they're not giving

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them back to the people that sent them

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in it just adds another layer of that to

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me

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and so nothing you know personal to

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jesse but

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if that was me absolutely not i would

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look for

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someone else to talk to

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yeah definitely definitely do you think

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that uh

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obviously

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we said that you know it would make us

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all uncomfortable to to reach out to

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them to gather this data and uh it does

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seem like you have two different sides

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of it one of it is like you said jamie

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kind of pouring your emotions of this

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experience into somebody and then giving

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like an investigator like details about

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an event like they're two different

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things it almost seems like

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it would hurt mufon in the sense that

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like okay we're getting kind of like the

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the numbers but like what's actually

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happening to this person is being left

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out

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do you think that do you think that they

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are possibly saying like okay look

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this whole thing as we've all understood

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is like is pretty huge i mean when you

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you talk to one person

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one person alone can take up so much of

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your time like it's it's a huge story

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and it's not something that you can just

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move on to the next thing right you move

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on to the next one

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maybe maybe it's a way of them

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separating that time-consuming aspect

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with the numbers right but it also seems

342
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like that there's people within the

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mufon community who don't want to stop

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this and who are taking their free time

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to talk and communicate with these

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people it's not like mufon is paying any

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of these people who are part of mufon at

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the end of the day you're paying mufon

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to do that so it's interesting because

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it seems like also that's mufon cutting

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off a resource to themselves in in the

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long run because now you have people who

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are participating in a certain way and

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who aren't going to want to do it

355
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anymore

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yeah almost

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yeah such a good point like you're

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making me think of

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there's like two sides to an experience

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there's the emotional side and there's a

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there's the nuts and bolts

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and

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um

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it it's a lot more like you said joe

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time consuming to hear the emotional

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side of things than it is hearing the

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nuts and bolts what happened what's the

368
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real police reports the numbers all that

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and it almost like maybe

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maybe it's this move that that's kind of

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under under the shoulder there's there's

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a better saying for that but in a way

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that they're saying hey we don't have

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enough staff to to emotionally support

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all of these cases we'd rather just or

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we we can only afford to do the

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uh

378
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because it is it's like talking to

379
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anybody it can be a form of therapy

380
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right like

381
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so so maybe maybe you have something to

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do with that like uh yeah jamie you

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mentioned like you don't get paid right

384
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like no it's people just taking their

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free time they pay them to do stuff so

386
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yeah you feel like maybe

387
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oh i'm sorry bri go for it

388
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oh no i was just gonna say it seems like

389
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they're almost in a way

390
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what i feel off that is that

391
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they don't really see it as important

392
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they the experiencer side they're not

393
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really the experiencer is equally valid

394
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kind of like we don't have like you're

395
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saying we don't have time for you so

396
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we're just going to focus on nuts and

397
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bolts

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then to me that's saying that it's not

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as valid as someone else's story that

400
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just saw something in the sky

401
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and that is so wrong on so many levels

402
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so then on the flip side

403
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on the flip side if they were saying hey

404
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um maybe we're trying to put a wedge in

405
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between these people because they're

406
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getting a lot of good information uh and

407
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we're just getting the numbers maybe if

408
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they separate themselves now they can

409
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get the that good juicy emotional side

410
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along with the numbers what do you think

411
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about that could that be like maybe a

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thought process that is going on in

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their head maybe not so much we don't

414
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have time for you it's it's more of hey

415
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we want all of your information

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instead

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[Music]

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i definitely think that that's an

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approach i would love to see if mufon

420
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would come out and make a statement

421
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about it because i think that something

422
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that happens a lot with mufon is they

423
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aren't the most forthcoming with

424
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information it's kind of been a big

425
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thing in the community that you know

426
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they are this big data data center reach

427
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research point but it's so hard to get

428
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access to some of the information that

429
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yes you pay into it and you can have

430
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access to a lot of it but there's a lot

431
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of it that are behind doors that you

432
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cannot get into and a lot of people have

433
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issues with mufon and how they operate

434
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and so it seems like to me they're just

435
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getting a stronger chokehold than what

436
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i think the biggest problem that i have

437
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with the whole situation is

438
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if it is true that they've stripped away

439
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any part of you your anonymity um to

440
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stay anonymous while giving a report i

441
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think that is the the biggest issue if

442
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you want to stay anonymous i i believe

443
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you absolutely should 100 percent stay

444
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uh anonymous it's it's your story it's

445
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it's your experience it's something that

446
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happened to you

447
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um and a lot of times for a lot of

448
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people it seems to be more of a personal

449
00:16:36,949 --> 00:16:35,199
journey that they don't want to talk to

450
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with other people about they want to

451
00:16:40,550 --> 00:16:38,959
find like five or six people that they

452
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can bounce this [\h__\h] off of and see if

453
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they can figure it out because they just

454
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want to get back to their regular lives

455
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right so anonymity seems important for a

456
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lot of people it does it does i think

457
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that's the biggest thing here there's

458
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still a stigma around this topic

459
00:16:55,430 --> 00:16:53,839
unfortunately so when people are talking

460
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about personal experiences they don't

461
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necessarily want the people in their

462
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life to know about it because how they

463
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would react

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right yeah

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it sounds to me like that we need to

466
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start a new organization or something

467
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yeah i know that there's a few out there

468
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but it's gonna be opening some doors for

469
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sure because i mean the name as big as

470
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mufon if they're heading in this

471
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direction maybe it's not closing a door

472
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but opening many more i mean we always

473
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talk about uh you know dan warren said

474
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this to us uh or to me or to us when he

475
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visited us in austin for this event he

476
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he was like i think i think where this

477
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is heading is uh death by a thousand

478
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knives stats knife stab wounds instead

479
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of one big sword and it's like

480
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it's

481
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following this trend of like who's

482
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getting the actual information out there

483
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uh jamie and brie i was watching you on

484
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ucr last night great job by the way uh

485
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y'all mentioned that people are not

486
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paying paying attention to the news

487
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taking their their information from the

488
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news anymore it shows like ucr and that

489
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one time i was abducted by aliens uh and

490
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and many many more shows out there like

491
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people are getting their their news

492
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from

493
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many many different sources and thinking

494
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for themselves or starting to think for

495
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themselves or we're starting to think

496
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for themselves it's almost like it's

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following that trend where

498
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maybe it's a good thing that they're

499
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they're breaking off from doing that i

500
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don't know yeah that's a good thought

501
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actually i really do like that you know

502
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sometimes it seems like it's something

503
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bad from the beginning

504
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but you know with every death there's a

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new life that's born from that so

506
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yeah who maybe a a new organization will

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come or

508
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i mean really i think this is such a big

509
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time for ufology so it's interesting

510
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that they're choosing to do this now

511
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um

512
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it's like if anything there's so much

513
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more funding and interest in it like why

514
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would you stop it right yeah and people

515
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pay just to belong to them you pay to be

516
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a mufon investigator and then you pay to

517
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be like a part you know subscribe to

518
00:19:05,669 --> 00:19:03,360
everything that they get if you get the

519
00:19:07,190 --> 00:19:05,679
newsletter and the actual physical form

520
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and all of those things

521
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so it's kind of strange to me that they

522
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wouldn't have enough funding for that

523
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do you think that uh occasionally

524
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uh

525
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let's face it like mufon's a lot of a

526
00:19:22,630 --> 00:19:20,160
lot of awesome stuff right but they've

527
00:19:25,430 --> 00:19:22,640
also had a lot of egg on their face

528
00:19:28,549 --> 00:19:25,440
sometimes very big big eggs ostrich size

529
00:19:29,909 --> 00:19:28,559
eggs on their face um and so it's not

530
00:19:31,990 --> 00:19:29,919
perfect it's good to have an

531
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organization that people can go to but

532
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it's not perfect right um for me uh one

533
00:19:39,110 --> 00:19:37,120
of the questions would be do you think

534
00:19:39,750 --> 00:19:39,120
that occasionally mufon just gets full

535
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of

536
00:19:43,990 --> 00:19:42,320
people who like want to see aliens but

537
00:19:46,390 --> 00:19:44,000
don't realize that that's not how it

538
00:19:48,390 --> 00:19:46,400
works until after it's a lot of work and

539
00:19:50,070 --> 00:19:48,400
months of doing all of this work for

540
00:19:51,750 --> 00:19:50,080
free trying to see aliens they just

541
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start yeah i don't give a [\h__\h]

542
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you know and like then you just get like

543
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this organization full of people who

544
00:20:00,710 --> 00:19:56,799
just don't care anymore

545
00:20:05,029 --> 00:20:02,549
i mean when we talk to jesse it's very

546
00:20:07,510 --> 00:20:05,039
evident that he is very serious super

547
00:20:09,510 --> 00:20:07,520
passionate about it yeah so passionate

548
00:20:11,990 --> 00:20:09,520
and is really he does his due diligence

549
00:20:13,990 --> 00:20:12,000
and he wants to really like meet the

550
00:20:15,750 --> 00:20:14,000
people feel them out boot on the ground

551
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kind of situation

552
00:20:20,870 --> 00:20:18,559
but that's because he has true passion

553
00:20:22,230 --> 00:20:20,880
and i think that's a really good point

554
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joe because

555
00:20:26,070 --> 00:20:24,159
people lose their passion if really

556
00:20:28,390 --> 00:20:26,080
that's all that they wanted to do is

557
00:20:30,549 --> 00:20:28,400
show up if there's a ufo sighting when

558
00:20:32,830 --> 00:20:30,559
really you're just reporting the data

559
00:20:36,070 --> 00:20:32,840
after the fact right

560
00:20:37,350 --> 00:20:36,080
um so i can i could see them you know i

561
00:20:39,350 --> 00:20:37,360
could see plenty of people doing that

562
00:20:42,070 --> 00:20:39,360
especially if you have to be the one to

563
00:20:45,750 --> 00:20:42,080
put in all of this work information

564
00:20:48,789 --> 00:20:45,760
the one person really doing everything

565
00:20:50,390 --> 00:20:48,799
yeah man yeah it's like it sounds like

566
00:20:52,789 --> 00:20:50,400
um

567
00:20:54,390 --> 00:20:52,799
i i don't even know like i can't imagine

568
00:20:56,630 --> 00:20:54,400
having time for that

569
00:20:59,110 --> 00:20:56,640
it's like damn i know it was like your

570
00:21:01,750 --> 00:20:59,120
full-time job yeah it's crazy how

571
00:21:04,149 --> 00:21:01,760
expensive ufology is it really is i've

572
00:21:05,590 --> 00:21:04,159
spent so much money yeah yeah yeah

573
00:21:06,789 --> 00:21:05,600
people i know everyone's like everyone's

574
00:21:08,230 --> 00:21:06,799
like you're all out here to make me like

575
00:21:11,270 --> 00:21:08,240
do you know how much money and time it

576
00:21:13,590 --> 00:21:11,280
puts in to do ufology you guys this is

577
00:21:16,710 --> 00:21:13,600
not a free thing yeah like the amount of

578
00:21:17,909 --> 00:21:16,720
time i dedicate to this topic and

579
00:21:20,549 --> 00:21:17,919
in the show

580
00:21:22,710 --> 00:21:20,559
i could have a second job and provide

581
00:21:24,310 --> 00:21:22,720
and be there for my family

582
00:21:26,710 --> 00:21:24,320
i could be making double what i make but

583
00:21:28,549 --> 00:21:26,720
i don't because i love this topic i love

584
00:21:30,470 --> 00:21:28,559
doing what we do yep couldn't agree with

585
00:21:31,590 --> 00:21:30,480
you more

586
00:21:33,750 --> 00:21:31,600
that's why we like to hang out with you

587
00:21:36,950 --> 00:21:33,760
guys because at the end of the day

588
00:21:38,710 --> 00:21:36,960
we are j and b and you guys are b and j

589
00:21:40,710 --> 00:21:38,720
that's right man

590
00:21:42,870 --> 00:21:40,720
that is very true

591
00:21:45,430 --> 00:21:42,880
cosmically we are aligned nothing is a

592
00:21:48,310 --> 00:21:45,440
coincidence it's right

593
00:21:49,270 --> 00:21:48,320
i agree it's fate that we met especially

594
00:21:52,070 --> 00:21:49,280
uh

595
00:21:53,590 --> 00:21:52,080
in 2020 of all years it happened to be

596
00:21:55,350 --> 00:21:53,600
you know

597
00:21:58,149 --> 00:21:55,360
right at the right at the cutoff point

598
00:21:59,909 --> 00:21:58,159
too right now it was like and i was like

599
00:22:01,270 --> 00:21:59,919
we left to go home and the world was

600
00:22:03,190 --> 00:22:01,280
like all right

601
00:22:04,630 --> 00:22:03,200
[\h__\h] the rest of you

602
00:22:06,149 --> 00:22:04,640
we're shutting down it was almost like

603
00:22:08,470 --> 00:22:06,159
the universe was waiting like hey one

604
00:22:23,510 --> 00:22:08,480
more i got one more thing you need to

605
00:22:27,750 --> 00:22:25,510
i wonder i wonder if it's the first time

606
00:22:29,750 --> 00:22:27,760
a bunch of ufo people ever got kicked

607
00:22:31,669 --> 00:22:29,760
out of a lobby for being rowdy oh my god

608
00:22:33,190 --> 00:22:31,679
we're being rowdy

609
00:22:34,470 --> 00:22:33,200
we got we got kicked out of the ballroom

610
00:22:35,750 --> 00:22:34,480
we got kicked out of the lobby not

611
00:22:37,029 --> 00:22:35,760
forcefully you guys but they were like

612
00:22:39,350 --> 00:22:37,039
came and they were like hey you guys

613
00:22:41,350 --> 00:22:39,360
like we it's the it's 2am

614
00:22:42,230 --> 00:22:41,360
you need to go to your room we are done

615
00:22:44,149 --> 00:22:42,240
here

616
00:22:47,190 --> 00:22:44,159
and then eric was like that's a great

617
00:22:49,029 --> 00:22:47,200
car patted me on the butt i don't know

618
00:22:52,070 --> 00:22:49,039
he was like give you a little give you a

619
00:22:53,830 --> 00:22:52,080
little good job buddy i was like hey

620
00:22:55,750 --> 00:22:53,840
remember the security guard guy he

621
00:22:57,110 --> 00:22:55,760
started he started walking away he

622
00:22:58,310 --> 00:22:57,120
started walking away and then eric was

623
00:22:59,909 --> 00:22:58,320
like well we can all go to my room and

624
00:23:01,669 --> 00:22:59,919
he turns around he's like no no no no no

625
00:23:04,470 --> 00:23:01,679
no no no no no no no no no no you need

626
00:23:05,830 --> 00:23:04,480
to go to your individual rooms

627
00:23:08,070 --> 00:23:05,840
oh my god

628
00:23:10,710 --> 00:23:08,080
everyone go to where you go and yeah no

629
00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:10,720
that we need to do that again

630
00:23:14,950 --> 00:23:12,000
we were like is that some kind of rule

631
00:23:16,310 --> 00:23:14,960
and he was like uh yes it is it's okay

632
00:23:19,750 --> 00:23:16,320
it's a rule

633
00:23:21,669 --> 00:23:19,760
that we have you have to go oh my god

634
00:23:23,909 --> 00:23:21,679
he's making it up how much alcohol that

635
00:23:28,470 --> 00:23:23,919
night oh my god i don't even know how

636
00:23:32,070 --> 00:23:30,630
they didn't have any more yeah there's

637
00:23:33,350 --> 00:23:32,080
no more wine

638
00:23:38,070 --> 00:23:33,360
that's why we ended up drinking that

639
00:23:43,269 --> 00:23:41,029
let's see okay so um

640
00:23:45,750 --> 00:23:43,279
i have a second a second topic i'd like

641
00:23:47,909 --> 00:23:45,760
to get into um we don't have to get into

642
00:23:50,549 --> 00:23:47,919
this topic this is the first one so i'd

643
00:23:52,310 --> 00:23:50,559
like to ask you guys hey but do you guys

644
00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:52,320
think that there's anything important

645
00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:54,240
that you'd like to talk about and get

646
00:24:01,590 --> 00:24:00,070
wow yeah wow i like it i see what i did

647
00:24:02,870 --> 00:24:01,600
there i love that i just want to give

648
00:24:04,950 --> 00:24:02,880
you guys the opportunity i mean it's the

649
00:24:06,950 --> 00:24:04,960
first time this is like a serious

650
00:24:08,630 --> 00:24:06,960
conversation let's do it type thing

651
00:24:10,149 --> 00:24:08,640
what's important to you you know like

652
00:24:12,070 --> 00:24:10,159
what's something that you wanna you

653
00:24:15,190 --> 00:24:12,080
wanna talk about maybe i think what's

654
00:24:17,510 --> 00:24:15,200
really important about this community is

655
00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:17,520
the community and i think that we as a

656
00:24:20,549 --> 00:24:18,400
society

657
00:24:22,710 --> 00:24:20,559
are really into putting people onto

658
00:24:25,110 --> 00:24:22,720
pedestals and making celebrities out of

659
00:24:26,950 --> 00:24:25,120
people and as much as that is fun and

660
00:24:28,549 --> 00:24:26,960
great i think that sometimes we have to

661
00:24:30,470 --> 00:24:28,559
dial that back a little bit and start

662
00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:30,480
being more collaborative and not

663
00:24:34,630 --> 00:24:32,880
thinking oh i want everyone to only

664
00:24:36,310 --> 00:24:34,640
watch me or i'm the only one who can

665
00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:36,320
give you the information i think what's

666
00:24:40,230 --> 00:24:37,760
important out there is to broaden your

667
00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:40,240
horizon and hear everybody's perspective

668
00:24:43,909 --> 00:24:42,240
whether you agree with it or not don't

669
00:24:45,909 --> 00:24:43,919
have arguments have really great

670
00:24:47,990 --> 00:24:45,919
conversations with people and i think if

671
00:24:49,110 --> 00:24:48,000
we have more of that in the community

672
00:24:51,510 --> 00:24:49,120
that's what's going to further this

673
00:24:53,350 --> 00:24:51,520
community

674
00:24:55,510 --> 00:24:53,360
that's good i like that i like that

675
00:24:56,870 --> 00:24:55,520
that's important that's important

676
00:24:58,710 --> 00:24:56,880
now that i got that

677
00:25:00,149 --> 00:24:58,720
got that off my chest

678
00:25:01,669 --> 00:25:00,159
off your

679
00:25:03,110 --> 00:25:01,679
yeah i think i've been feeling the same

680
00:25:04,310 --> 00:25:03,120
way you know

681
00:25:05,590 --> 00:25:04,320
we uh

682
00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:05,600
i think we just want to make more

683
00:25:10,070 --> 00:25:06,720
friends

684
00:25:13,350 --> 00:25:10,080
see less of a division between people

685
00:25:14,630 --> 00:25:13,360
um and it's nice when you do make

686
00:25:16,710 --> 00:25:14,640
connections with these people they're

687
00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:16,720
really not like they're really great

688
00:25:19,350 --> 00:25:17,760
people

689
00:25:21,830 --> 00:25:19,360
it just seems to be like sometimes

690
00:25:23,590 --> 00:25:21,840
people don't want to do that so

691
00:25:27,029 --> 00:25:23,600
um i feel like lately we've been

692
00:25:28,710 --> 00:25:27,039
preaching for people that have opposing

693
00:25:29,590 --> 00:25:28,720
views

694
00:25:31,350 --> 00:25:29,600
to

695
00:25:33,110 --> 00:25:31,360
be okay with that

696
00:25:35,029 --> 00:25:33,120
you know it's like we've we've seen a

697
00:25:37,350 --> 00:25:35,039
lot of oh well if you don't feel this

698
00:25:38,870 --> 00:25:37,360
way then we can't be friends or you know

699
00:25:40,310 --> 00:25:38,880
things like that or i don't like you if

700
00:25:41,750 --> 00:25:40,320
you don't subscribe to this kind of

701
00:25:44,070 --> 00:25:41,760
thing

702
00:25:45,990 --> 00:25:44,080
that's really been i think on our hearts

703
00:25:47,269 --> 00:25:46,000
a lot lately so

704
00:25:49,190 --> 00:25:47,279
it would be nice if we could all have

705
00:25:50,710 --> 00:25:49,200
different opinions and still be cool

706
00:25:52,470 --> 00:25:50,720
with each other

707
00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:52,480
you know um

708
00:25:57,909 --> 00:25:54,880
it's already such a small community

709
00:26:00,549 --> 00:25:59,590
we'll break it apart if we don't get

710
00:26:02,549 --> 00:26:00,559
along

711
00:26:05,430 --> 00:26:02,559
honestly

712
00:26:06,630 --> 00:26:05,440
yeah i got damn chills oh my god

713
00:26:08,950 --> 00:26:06,640
well we're being really listen we're

714
00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:08,960
being vulnerable here you know that's

715
00:26:13,990 --> 00:26:11,760
what this is about it's about opening up

716
00:26:15,990 --> 00:26:14,000
and being vulnerable i love that though

717
00:26:19,029 --> 00:26:16,000
you know i definitely love that because

718
00:26:21,350 --> 00:26:19,039
you know if if we ever find ourselves in

719
00:26:23,350 --> 00:26:21,360
a situation like hey we always tell

720
00:26:25,750 --> 00:26:23,360
everybody look we don't have all the

721
00:26:28,630 --> 00:26:25,760
answers you know we're all we're all

722
00:26:29,990 --> 00:26:28,640
learning here so if anybody ever to you

723
00:26:32,630 --> 00:26:30,000
know ever

724
00:26:34,549 --> 00:26:32,640
disagrees with anything that we say like

725
00:26:37,669 --> 00:26:34,559
that's that's the whole point by all

726
00:26:39,190 --> 00:26:37,679
means please come on the show and uh

727
00:26:41,590 --> 00:26:39,200
explain your point because it's

728
00:26:43,830 --> 00:26:41,600
obviously something i haven't heard yet

729
00:26:46,549 --> 00:26:43,840
yeah or it's something that i i don't

730
00:26:48,230 --> 00:26:46,559
understand to the full effect so please

731
00:26:50,710 --> 00:26:48,240
reach out to me i think that's the best

732
00:26:53,590 --> 00:26:50,720
way that we can extend olive branches to

733
00:26:55,909 --> 00:26:53,600
people that maybe don't like you or or

734
00:26:57,110 --> 00:26:55,919
whatever whatever may be your situation

735
00:26:59,029 --> 00:26:57,120
right

736
00:27:01,269 --> 00:26:59,039
that doesn't happen to me and ben man

737
00:27:04,310 --> 00:27:01,279
because everybody likes us dude

738
00:27:11,430 --> 00:27:04,320
i believe that i really do oh we don't

739
00:27:14,070 --> 00:27:12,789
i think that you guys are so loved

740
00:27:15,669 --> 00:27:14,080
within the community i think you guys

741
00:27:17,350 --> 00:27:15,679
bring such a great sense of humor and i

742
00:27:19,029 --> 00:27:17,360
think it's so receptive to people and i

743
00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:19,039
think that you guys are such a bright

744
00:27:23,510 --> 00:27:20,880
shining star in this community please

745
00:27:25,909 --> 00:27:23,520
never stop doing what you're doing

746
00:27:27,110 --> 00:27:25,919
i i wouldn't say the exact same thing no

747
00:27:28,549 --> 00:27:27,120
guys

748
00:27:29,990 --> 00:27:28,559
thank you

749
00:27:31,830 --> 00:27:30,000
yeah there i mean there yeah there's a

750
00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:31,840
reason why we all bet i mean and and uh

751
00:27:36,549 --> 00:27:33,600
while we vibe and like to collaborate

752
00:27:38,630 --> 00:27:36,559
and do projects like this this one yes

753
00:27:41,350 --> 00:27:38,640
well we went with you guys because like

754
00:27:44,149 --> 00:27:41,360
perfect so man uh right back at you on

755
00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:44,159
that one i mean yeah what's happening is

756
00:27:48,310 --> 00:27:46,320
is we're it's almost like

757
00:27:50,789 --> 00:27:48,320
you're being overtaken by a wave and you

758
00:27:52,789 --> 00:27:50,799
don't really know you're in a wave until

759
00:27:56,070 --> 00:27:52,799
you wash up on the shore and then you're

760
00:27:57,510 --> 00:27:56,080
like oh man that was really scary

761
00:27:58,310 --> 00:27:57,520
really fun

762
00:27:59,669 --> 00:27:58,320
yeah

763
00:28:01,830 --> 00:27:59,679
i feel like we're in the middle of that

764
00:28:04,230 --> 00:28:01,840
tube you know it's totally like totally

765
00:28:05,830 --> 00:28:04,240
too big but like we're just looking up

766
00:28:09,669 --> 00:28:05,840
and down and nobody really knows where

767
00:28:12,470 --> 00:28:09,679
to go but we feel like a sense of of uh

768
00:28:14,789 --> 00:28:12,480
of of scaredness or or apprehensiveness

769
00:28:17,590 --> 00:28:14,799
or like hey that's this is actually like

770
00:28:19,350 --> 00:28:17,600
your body's feeling this this vibe of

771
00:28:21,510 --> 00:28:19,360
this feels good let's just keep doing

772
00:28:23,590 --> 00:28:21,520
that thing and following the path of

773
00:28:25,350 --> 00:28:23,600
least resistance um

774
00:28:27,510 --> 00:28:25,360
and this is has nothing to do with our

775
00:28:29,029 --> 00:28:27,520
shows but just the the thought pattern

776
00:28:31,350 --> 00:28:29,039
of the journey that we're all on right

777
00:28:33,430 --> 00:28:31,360
now with this topic because it starts

778
00:28:35,269 --> 00:28:33,440
out a little different for everybody and

779
00:28:37,590 --> 00:28:35,279
it ends up a little different from it

780
00:28:39,350 --> 00:28:37,600
for for everybody but the middle i think

781
00:28:40,950 --> 00:28:39,360
we're in the middle right now i don't

782
00:28:42,710 --> 00:28:40,960
i'm not sure where where everybody is in

783
00:28:44,470 --> 00:28:42,720
their timeline but we're i don't think

784
00:28:47,029 --> 00:28:44,480
we're ever going to get to the end and

785
00:28:49,750 --> 00:28:47,039
why not just have not a great time

786
00:28:50,549 --> 00:28:49,760
figuring it's a ride yeah exactly like i

787
00:29:48,549 --> 00:28:50,559
i

788
00:29:50,230 --> 00:29:48,559
often because they also know that we're

789
00:29:51,990 --> 00:29:50,240
in the middle of this awesome wave like

790
00:29:53,750 --> 00:29:52,000
in the sweet spot where they're hanging

791
00:29:56,070 --> 00:29:53,760
we're all hanging ten and just waiting

792
00:29:57,669 --> 00:29:56,080
for that trick that trick move yeah

793
00:29:58,789 --> 00:29:57,679
that's why there's been an influx i

794
00:30:00,549 --> 00:29:58,799
think that something me and brie have

795
00:30:02,630 --> 00:30:00,559
always said about the phenomenon is you

796
00:30:05,430 --> 00:30:02,640
have to have some sort of openness to

797
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:05,440
experiencing it and collectively we're

798
00:30:09,029 --> 00:30:07,440
very opening to experience those things

799
00:30:10,789 --> 00:30:09,039
so so many more people are having

800
00:30:12,630 --> 00:30:10,799
experiences with the phenomenon and

801
00:30:14,149 --> 00:30:12,640
people who were having experience before

802
00:30:16,549 --> 00:30:14,159
are having them more frequently i think

803
00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:16,559
because the openness of our planet is

804
00:30:19,669 --> 00:30:18,000
just putting out a different kind of

805
00:30:21,430 --> 00:30:19,679
frequency than we did even five years

806
00:30:22,549 --> 00:30:21,440
ago

807
00:30:23,590 --> 00:30:22,559
for sure

808
00:30:25,590 --> 00:30:23,600
and uh

809
00:30:27,350 --> 00:30:25,600
different experiences too i think people

810
00:30:29,190 --> 00:30:27,360
that used to have just paranormal

811
00:30:30,070 --> 00:30:29,200
experiences are now starting to have

812
00:30:33,350 --> 00:30:30,080
more

813
00:30:34,870 --> 00:30:33,360
um et alien experiences and i think five

814
00:30:36,549 --> 00:30:34,880
vice versa

815
00:30:37,909 --> 00:30:36,559
and so that's cool so that just means

816
00:30:40,630 --> 00:30:37,919
that something

817
00:30:42,630 --> 00:30:40,640
energetic in general is happening

818
00:30:43,350 --> 00:30:42,640
and i think a lot of it has to do with

819
00:30:44,710 --> 00:30:43,360
us

820
00:30:46,630 --> 00:30:44,720
for sure

821
00:30:48,630 --> 00:30:46,640
the more that we all open it's like

822
00:30:50,149 --> 00:30:48,640
we're attracting that energy like i

823
00:30:51,909 --> 00:30:50,159
always used to say you know it's that

824
00:30:53,190 --> 00:30:51,919
thing of like what you're seeking is

825
00:30:54,950 --> 00:30:53,200
seeking you

826
00:30:56,950 --> 00:30:54,960
so i feel like it's just it's both

827
00:30:58,310 --> 00:30:56,960
happening and it's it's all meeting each

828
00:31:00,070 --> 00:30:58,320
other you know

829
00:31:03,110 --> 00:31:00,080
and that's super exciting it's like

830
00:31:04,630 --> 00:31:03,120
we're really in a very important time

831
00:31:06,070 --> 00:31:04,640
right now

832
00:31:07,669 --> 00:31:06,080
it feels like we're a part of something

833
00:31:10,549 --> 00:31:07,679
well i guess we are mm-hmm yeah

834
00:31:11,750 --> 00:31:10,559
definitely is i feel like we are

835
00:31:14,149 --> 00:31:11,760
i mean

836
00:31:16,070 --> 00:31:14,159
everybody's got a a part to play some

837
00:31:17,990 --> 00:31:16,080
are smaller than others but equally

838
00:31:19,750 --> 00:31:18,000
important and we all we all have our

839
00:31:21,430 --> 00:31:19,760
journeys in our paths that we're on and

840
00:31:22,870 --> 00:31:21,440
we figure it out as we go like none of

841
00:31:24,230 --> 00:31:22,880
us know what we're supposed to be doing

842
00:31:26,310 --> 00:31:24,240
it's just kind of like

843
00:31:27,509 --> 00:31:26,320
you jump into it head first and you you

844
00:31:30,549 --> 00:31:27,519
ride the ride

845
00:31:31,590 --> 00:31:30,559
yeah yeah it's more fun though i mean

846
00:31:33,909 --> 00:31:31,600
even

847
00:31:36,710 --> 00:31:33,919
compared to when jamie and i first

848
00:31:38,549 --> 00:31:36,720
started podcasting i feel like

849
00:31:40,870 --> 00:31:38,559
now looking back it doesn't even seem

850
00:31:43,110 --> 00:31:40,880
like that was a fun time you know it's

851
00:31:45,750 --> 00:31:43,120
so it's like compared to now

852
00:31:48,549 --> 00:31:45,760
like man like this is fun this is very

853
00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:48,559
fun and i don't think it was the same

854
00:31:54,389 --> 00:31:51,840
so i i have high hopes for the future

855
00:31:56,549 --> 00:31:54,399
you know i think as each day goes on and

856
00:31:58,549 --> 00:31:56,559
hopefully we can really pull this

857
00:32:01,830 --> 00:31:58,559
community together and really

858
00:32:04,230 --> 00:32:01,840
like let's you know sing kumbaya kumbaya

859
00:32:05,669 --> 00:32:04,240
and all that stuff i'm down for that

860
00:32:07,509 --> 00:32:05,679
really i think

861
00:32:09,669 --> 00:32:07,519
now that should be

862
00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:09,679
almost just as important as researching

863
00:32:13,110 --> 00:32:12,000
i feel like is bringing us all together

864
00:32:15,590 --> 00:32:13,120
yep

865
00:32:18,470 --> 00:32:15,600
love that yeah definitely definitely

866
00:32:20,870 --> 00:32:18,480
love is love

867
00:32:22,950 --> 00:32:20,880
so it seems like it seems like the uh

868
00:32:25,190 --> 00:32:22,960
the the running theme for this evening

869
00:32:27,909 --> 00:32:25,200
is basically like look

870
00:32:30,310 --> 00:32:27,919
help each other help each other extend

871
00:32:33,029 --> 00:32:30,320
all the branches whenever you can be

872
00:32:35,110 --> 00:32:33,039
vulnerable keep keep the be vulnerable

873
00:32:37,110 --> 00:32:35,120
stay in this together yeah keep the

874
00:32:39,430 --> 00:32:37,120
positivity up you know what i'm saying

875
00:32:41,269 --> 00:32:39,440
like if that's uh yeah like that could

876
00:32:44,389 --> 00:32:41,279
be a running thing anything negative

877
00:32:46,470 --> 00:32:44,399
that comes at you this year hop on it

878
00:32:48,389 --> 00:32:46,480
confront it and if it's still negative

879
00:32:50,470 --> 00:32:48,399
afterwards then you sweep it under the

880
00:32:52,549 --> 00:32:50,480
rug and you move on right

881
00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:52,559
reverse card on that [\h__\h] yeah

882
00:32:56,389 --> 00:32:54,480
we all gotta keep moving here man i

883
00:32:58,710 --> 00:32:56,399
think it's i think that's that's

884
00:33:01,750 --> 00:32:58,720
absolutely great

885
00:33:03,669 --> 00:33:01,760
absolutely i mean you guys are

886
00:33:05,590 --> 00:33:03,679
you guys are awesome but everyone else

887
00:33:07,430 --> 00:33:05,600
in this community is awesome you know

888
00:33:08,950 --> 00:33:07,440
like we're all just such a really great

889
00:33:12,070 --> 00:33:08,960
group of people

890
00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:12,080
so um i wouldn't want to say like kick

891
00:33:16,630 --> 00:33:14,240
out the bad ones more like let's show

892
00:33:19,750 --> 00:33:16,640
them embrace them

893
00:33:20,870 --> 00:33:19,760
maybe a different viewpoint or you know

894
00:33:22,950 --> 00:33:20,880
yeah

895
00:33:25,590 --> 00:33:22,960
give me a hug listen we're just a bunch

896
00:33:27,430 --> 00:33:25,600
of crystal hippie loving [\h__\h] this is

897
00:33:29,430 --> 00:33:27,440
the only the only way we know how to

898
00:33:31,430 --> 00:33:29,440
operate is with love and compassion and

899
00:33:34,310 --> 00:33:31,440
peace and that's what i think the world

900
00:33:36,950 --> 00:33:34,320
needs right now and this topic yeah um

901
00:33:39,509 --> 00:33:36,960
oh for sure i love it i love it unity

902
00:33:42,310 --> 00:33:39,519
baby it's such a it's such a

903
00:33:45,190 --> 00:33:42,320
juxtaposition between the the

904
00:33:46,870 --> 00:33:45,200
the news cycle the evidence the uh the

905
00:33:49,029 --> 00:33:46,880
congress people not saying that that's

906
00:33:51,590 --> 00:33:49,039
not important because it very much is

907
00:33:53,430 --> 00:33:51,600
it's it's just a a different perspective

908
00:33:56,470 --> 00:33:53,440
and uh when i was watching you guys on

909
00:33:59,110 --> 00:33:56,480
uh again ucr last night you just uh said

910
00:34:00,549 --> 00:33:59,120
it so well like it doesn't it doesn't

911
00:34:02,230 --> 00:34:00,559
mean one's more important than the other

912
00:34:04,389 --> 00:34:02,240
it's it's that both are very important

913
00:34:06,710 --> 00:34:04,399
to the subject so

914
00:34:09,589 --> 00:34:06,720
but uh we need each other let's just say

915
00:34:11,030 --> 00:34:09,599
that we need each other yeah both sides

916
00:34:11,909 --> 00:34:11,040
need each other

917
00:34:14,869 --> 00:34:11,919
well

918
00:34:16,629 --> 00:34:14,879
they're not a cold or not yeah

919
00:34:19,030 --> 00:34:16,639
yes okay sometimes you gotta pop that

920
00:34:20,310 --> 00:34:19,040
off i don't know sometimes

921
00:34:22,710 --> 00:34:20,320
sometimes i just like to let the top

922
00:34:24,550 --> 00:34:22,720
down and let it ride two times it's

923
00:34:25,990 --> 00:34:24,560
probably nothing the aliens haven't seen

924
00:34:27,669 --> 00:34:26,000
anyway so i was like yeah i feel like

925
00:34:29,510 --> 00:34:27,679
they have like x-ray vision yeah they're

926
00:34:32,869 --> 00:34:29,520
pros they're like you're not you're not

927
00:34:32,879 --> 00:34:39,190
we've

928
00:34:42,790 --> 00:34:40,869
this difference between like nuts and

929
00:34:44,310 --> 00:34:42,800
bolts and spirituality and and back to

930
00:34:45,750 --> 00:34:44,320
the mufon thing like the difference

931
00:34:49,190 --> 00:34:45,760
between a

932
00:34:51,030 --> 00:34:49,200
nuts and bolts uh

933
00:34:54,950 --> 00:34:51,040
recounting of an experience and then

934
00:34:56,950 --> 00:34:54,960
like the spiritual aspect and maybe

935
00:34:59,109 --> 00:34:56,960
i personally think that the story is

936
00:35:01,030 --> 00:34:59,119
just as important if not more important

937
00:35:02,950 --> 00:35:01,040
the person's experience

938
00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:02,960
to that nuts and bolts that's that's

939
00:35:07,829 --> 00:35:05,280
just like okay now we can

940
00:35:09,829 --> 00:35:07,839
prove it to our moms right like

941
00:35:11,349 --> 00:35:09,839
the other part like the spiritual part

942
00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:11,359
the thing that happened a person what

943
00:35:16,230 --> 00:35:13,200
they went through is the most important

944
00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:16,240
part like joe i think the second uh

945
00:35:23,030 --> 00:35:20,160
topic was like what percentage of these

946
00:35:24,630 --> 00:35:23,040
these entities or these crafts are we

947
00:35:26,550 --> 00:35:24,640
seeing in the sky that

948
00:35:27,670 --> 00:35:26,560
what was it like could could be

949
00:35:30,710 --> 00:35:27,680
uh

950
00:35:32,870 --> 00:35:30,720
miscellaneous military yeah what is ours

951
00:35:34,710 --> 00:35:32,880
and what is not even the crazy [\h__\h] like

952
00:35:36,630 --> 00:35:34,720
the crazy stuff that you see

953
00:35:38,630 --> 00:35:36,640
what is what percentage of it do you

954
00:35:42,310 --> 00:35:38,640
think is ours and what percentage of it

955
00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:45,109
you know i think personally that

956
00:35:51,589 --> 00:35:48,720
if there there are people who have uh

957
00:35:53,349 --> 00:35:51,599
obviously been researching lightspeed

958
00:35:56,630 --> 00:35:53,359
technology and trying to figure out how

959
00:35:58,230 --> 00:35:56,640
to go as fast as you possibly can and i

960
00:35:59,990 --> 00:35:58,240
think after all these years i

961
00:36:02,710 --> 00:36:00,000
occasionally see reports that say the

962
00:36:04,870 --> 00:36:02,720
craft is moving at over 9 000 miles an

963
00:36:06,470 --> 00:36:04,880
hour and then i think to myself well if

964
00:36:09,109 --> 00:36:06,480
we have people who have been researching

965
00:36:11,510 --> 00:36:09,119
light speed 9 000 miles an hour is not

966
00:36:13,750 --> 00:36:11,520
very fast at all and i think if that

967
00:36:16,550 --> 00:36:13,760
they were going to have a jump off point

968
00:36:17,270 --> 00:36:16,560
or or a step to where they would you

969
00:36:18,870 --> 00:36:17,280
know

970
00:36:20,710 --> 00:36:18,880
be able to be like look we're going

971
00:36:22,150 --> 00:36:20,720
pretty fast like look at how fast this

972
00:36:23,829 --> 00:36:22,160
is and they were going to test it i feel

973
00:36:26,790 --> 00:36:23,839
like 9 000 miles an hour would be a

974
00:36:28,710 --> 00:36:26,800
pretty like good place to to start some

975
00:36:31,510 --> 00:36:28,720
like really really fast look guys we're

976
00:36:34,790 --> 00:36:32,390
um

977
00:36:36,550 --> 00:36:34,800
so yeah i don't know i i have to say you

978
00:36:38,230 --> 00:36:36,560
know maybe maybe

979
00:36:40,390 --> 00:36:38,240
man i don't know because i really feel

980
00:36:42,550 --> 00:36:40,400
like a lot of it is our stuff yeah well

981
00:36:44,710 --> 00:36:42,560
what percentage do you think

982
00:36:48,069 --> 00:36:44,720
yeah i think so too um that's a hard one

983
00:36:49,670 --> 00:36:48,079
to say man i know especially now

984
00:36:52,150 --> 00:36:49,680
i i think that it's i think it's a lot

985
00:36:53,270 --> 00:36:52,160
lower than we think in all honesty i

986
00:36:54,710 --> 00:36:53,280
think that

987
00:36:55,750 --> 00:36:54,720
see and bree might disagree with me but

988
00:36:59,670 --> 00:36:55,760
i think that

989
00:37:01,589 --> 00:36:59,680
things tend to be a little bit more

990
00:37:03,349 --> 00:37:01,599
government-y to me and a lot of the more

991
00:37:04,950 --> 00:37:03,359
homegrown ones tend to be a little bit

992
00:37:06,310 --> 00:37:04,960
more

993
00:37:07,670 --> 00:37:06,320
actual sighting to me i don't mean to

994
00:37:09,349 --> 00:37:07,680
say it like that but i don't know

995
00:37:11,910 --> 00:37:09,359
sometimes when there's like a big hype

996
00:37:14,230 --> 00:37:11,920
around a sighting i just i'm

997
00:37:16,150 --> 00:37:14,240
i'm like ooh

998
00:37:18,390 --> 00:37:16,160
yeah what do you mean

999
00:37:20,550 --> 00:37:18,400
like i mean you're like ooh like when

1000
00:37:22,390 --> 00:37:20,560
there's a lot of people you know

1001
00:37:23,910 --> 00:37:22,400
like when it's sensationalized in a

1002
00:37:25,670 --> 00:37:23,920
sense like when it's sensationalized

1003
00:37:27,190 --> 00:37:25,680
when they take you talk about that

1004
00:37:28,950 --> 00:37:27,200
not necessarily even just the tic tac in

1005
00:37:30,950 --> 00:37:28,960
general just any story that they kind of

1006
00:37:32,950 --> 00:37:30,960
run with that they sensationalize tends

1007
00:37:34,310 --> 00:37:32,960
to not end up being so credible

1008
00:37:36,550 --> 00:37:34,320
sometimes because it's like they

1009
00:37:38,950 --> 00:37:36,560
sensationalize it so whenever i see it

1010
00:37:41,030 --> 00:37:38,960
like in the big news media i tend to not

1011
00:37:44,150 --> 00:37:41,040
pay attention to it i'd rather the

1012
00:37:47,750 --> 00:37:45,990
it's almost like also i'm hearing a lot

1013
00:37:48,950 --> 00:37:47,760
of tic tac in the background you guys

1014
00:37:50,950 --> 00:37:48,960
gizmo

1015
00:37:51,300 --> 00:37:50,960
it's me no it's my dog oh it's your dog

1016
00:37:53,349 --> 00:37:51,310
okay

1017
00:37:55,829 --> 00:37:53,359
[Music]

1018
00:37:58,069 --> 00:37:55,839
joe also has a small uh well we both

1019
00:38:01,589 --> 00:37:58,079
have small dogs but hardwood floors yeah

1020
00:38:06,310 --> 00:38:02,390
uh

1021
00:38:08,470 --> 00:38:06,320
i get i

1022
00:38:10,470 --> 00:38:08,480
got derailed sorry big media

1023
00:38:11,750 --> 00:38:10,480
big media oh it's like the analogy i

1024
00:38:13,270 --> 00:38:11,760
like to think of is that the

1025
00:38:15,270 --> 00:38:13,280
conversations when you're in your

1026
00:38:16,790 --> 00:38:15,280
adolescent stage where you you start to

1027
00:38:18,310 --> 00:38:16,800
make friends or neighborhood friends or

1028
00:38:20,150 --> 00:38:18,320
you start to go to school and start

1029
00:38:21,430 --> 00:38:20,160
having your own like

1030
00:38:22,790 --> 00:38:21,440
trying to figure stuff out with your

1031
00:38:24,069 --> 00:38:22,800
your friends that are your age and

1032
00:38:25,910 --> 00:38:24,079
you're like hey

1033
00:38:27,589 --> 00:38:25,920
i learned a cuss word dude you can't say

1034
00:38:29,109 --> 00:38:27,599
it though i'll tell you what it is but

1035
00:38:31,030 --> 00:38:29,119
just don't say it

1036
00:38:32,790 --> 00:38:31,040
and then and you're like you you go home

1037
00:38:35,030 --> 00:38:32,800
and you tell your mom you're like hey

1038
00:38:37,109 --> 00:38:35,040
what does [\h__\h] mean like

1039
00:38:38,310 --> 00:38:37,119
oh and they're like oh

1040
00:38:40,390 --> 00:38:38,320
and you're like is it a bad word you

1041
00:38:41,990 --> 00:38:40,400
know what does it mean no it doesn't

1042
00:38:43,510 --> 00:38:42,000
it's not like a

1043
00:38:46,310 --> 00:38:43,520
are you talking about the verb or like

1044
00:38:48,230 --> 00:38:46,320
the word yes it's a bad word so the big

1045
00:38:49,990 --> 00:38:48,240
news is like your parents like not

1046
00:38:52,230 --> 00:38:50,000
wanting to explain sex to you because it

1047
00:38:53,589 --> 00:38:52,240
might like destroy your childhood

1048
00:38:55,109 --> 00:38:53,599
adolescence

1049
00:38:57,270 --> 00:38:55,119
it's like you're not a child anymore

1050
00:38:59,190 --> 00:38:57,280
yeah yeah yeah

1051
00:39:00,390 --> 00:38:59,200
yeah just for now just

1052
00:39:02,710 --> 00:39:00,400
just believe me when i tell you that's a

1053
00:39:04,470 --> 00:39:02,720
bad word just don't say it like yeah

1054
00:39:05,990 --> 00:39:04,480
that's how the dichotomy feels right now

1055
00:39:07,829 --> 00:39:06,000
between like getting the information

1056
00:39:09,430 --> 00:39:07,839
from big news and then getting your

1057
00:39:10,870 --> 00:39:09,440
information from people who actually

1058
00:39:12,550 --> 00:39:10,880
know what they're talking about well and

1059
00:39:13,990 --> 00:39:12,560
not just that but it's like i feel like

1060
00:39:15,670 --> 00:39:14,000
on that same kind of thought like when

1061
00:39:17,430 --> 00:39:15,680
parents explain things to you they don't

1062
00:39:19,030 --> 00:39:17,440
necessarily explain things in like an

1063
00:39:20,870 --> 00:39:19,040
actual way like you know the birds and

1064
00:39:21,990 --> 00:39:20,880
the bees kind of stuff so it's like i

1065
00:39:24,630 --> 00:39:22,000
feel like sometimes they're just giving

1066
00:39:26,230 --> 00:39:24,640
us a roundabout explanation for things

1067
00:39:27,910 --> 00:39:26,240
it's like oh you're listen this is what

1068
00:39:29,670 --> 00:39:27,920
will tell you small child this is how

1069
00:39:31,510 --> 00:39:29,680
you'll understand it you wouldn't

1070
00:39:33,270 --> 00:39:31,520
understand the big words that we use or

1071
00:39:34,150 --> 00:39:33,280
what's really going on here

1072
00:39:36,230 --> 00:39:34,160
yeah

1073
00:39:37,990 --> 00:39:36,240
do you think that implies that that the

1074
00:39:39,670 --> 00:39:38,000
government actually does care about our

1075
00:39:44,230 --> 00:39:39,680
well-being is it like they don't

1076
00:39:46,710 --> 00:39:45,270
the government cares about our

1077
00:39:47,829 --> 00:39:46,720
well-being i think at the end of the day

1078
00:39:49,430 --> 00:39:47,839
i think that there's people who work

1079
00:39:51,030 --> 00:39:49,440
with inside the government that care

1080
00:39:52,470 --> 00:39:51,040
about our well-being let's say that

1081
00:39:54,470 --> 00:39:52,480
right because there are human beings

1082
00:39:55,910 --> 00:39:54,480
that work in our government who care and

1083
00:39:57,990 --> 00:39:55,920
are passionate but i think the

1084
00:40:01,430 --> 00:39:58,000
establishment as a whole

1085
00:40:02,950 --> 00:40:01,440
is about secrecy and control and i don't

1086
00:40:04,230 --> 00:40:02,960
think that

1087
00:40:05,829 --> 00:40:04,240
they're giving us the narrative that

1088
00:40:06,550 --> 00:40:05,839
they want at the end of the day in order

1089
00:40:08,950 --> 00:40:06,560
to

1090
00:40:10,309 --> 00:40:08,960
not necessarily worried about if we're

1091
00:40:12,069 --> 00:40:10,319
freaked out or not but worried about

1092
00:40:14,470 --> 00:40:12,079
what's going to happen to

1093
00:40:15,829 --> 00:40:14,480
society crumbling how are they going to

1094
00:40:16,950 --> 00:40:15,839
the economy how are they going to deal

1095
00:40:18,710 --> 00:40:16,960
with people

1096
00:40:20,470 --> 00:40:18,720
uprising or riots and things like that

1097
00:40:21,670 --> 00:40:20,480
so it's i think it's just

1098
00:40:23,510 --> 00:40:21,680
something bigger that they're thinking

1099
00:40:26,230 --> 00:40:23,520
about the last thing on their mind is

1100
00:40:27,190 --> 00:40:26,240
well are they feeling okay about it

1101
00:40:30,630 --> 00:40:27,200
yeah

1102
00:40:32,950 --> 00:40:30,640
about they're worried about crowd

1103
00:40:35,829 --> 00:40:32,960
control and making sure everybody

1104
00:40:37,990 --> 00:40:35,839
minds their p's and q's and and uh and

1105
00:40:39,670 --> 00:40:38,000
and society functions right they don't

1106
00:40:41,670 --> 00:40:39,680
give a [\h__\h] about you individually they

1107
00:40:43,030 --> 00:40:41,680
care about you collectively as a whole

1108
00:40:44,950 --> 00:40:43,040
you want to make sure it's running the

1109
00:40:47,750 --> 00:40:44,960
cog is moving they don't care about you

1110
00:40:51,430 --> 00:40:49,510
also hold on

1111
00:40:54,309 --> 00:40:51,440
back on the topic the the percentage of

1112
00:40:56,230 --> 00:40:54,319
of what we believe is is is theirs and

1113
00:40:58,309 --> 00:40:56,240
what is ours uh i have a little

1114
00:41:01,510 --> 00:40:58,319
percentage uh part

1115
00:41:05,349 --> 00:41:01,520
one side of me says that i think 30 of

1116
00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:05,359
what we see is probably theirs and 70 of

1117
00:41:08,309 --> 00:41:06,400
what we see

1118
00:41:10,550 --> 00:41:08,319
is is probably

1119
00:41:13,990 --> 00:41:10,560
ours right but then the other side of me

1120
00:41:17,829 --> 00:41:14,000
says well hmm i think maybe 80 of what

1121
00:41:20,550 --> 00:41:17,839
we see is theirs and 20

1122
00:41:21,510 --> 00:41:20,560
of what we see is ours because

1123
00:41:23,109 --> 00:41:21,520
i never

1124
00:41:26,470 --> 00:41:23,119
i i have never

1125
00:41:28,150 --> 00:41:26,480
sat up all night long and looked up at

1126
00:41:30,150 --> 00:41:28,160
the night sky

1127
00:41:32,309 --> 00:41:30,160
all night long like if i were to do it

1128
00:41:33,910 --> 00:41:32,319
for like a like a not like like a day

1129
00:41:34,710 --> 00:41:33,920
job type thing you know what i'm saying

1130
00:41:36,710 --> 00:41:34,720
like

1131
00:41:39,190 --> 00:41:36,720
you know you just you just you don't you

1132
00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:39,200
know like you you're outside you're you

1133
00:41:42,550 --> 00:41:40,560
know but

1134
00:41:44,470 --> 00:41:42,560
it's impossible to look up all the time

1135
00:41:46,790 --> 00:41:44,480
could you imagine if you could you know

1136
00:41:48,950 --> 00:41:46,800
if you could look up all the time and

1137
00:41:51,109 --> 00:41:48,960
just like see stuff like how much stuff

1138
00:41:52,870 --> 00:41:51,119
you would actually see i bet it's a lot

1139
00:41:53,829 --> 00:41:52,880
and we just don't realize how much is up

1140
00:41:55,190 --> 00:41:53,839
there

1141
00:41:57,030 --> 00:41:55,200
that's true

1142
00:41:58,230 --> 00:41:57,040
that's very [\h__\h] true very [\h__\h]

1143
00:42:00,710 --> 00:41:58,240
true do you think

1144
00:42:03,349 --> 00:42:00,720
it depends on who is uh witnessing it

1145
00:42:06,710 --> 00:42:03,359
who's experiencing it consciously like

1146
00:42:09,190 --> 00:42:06,720
maybe the number skewed based on who

1147
00:42:10,710 --> 00:42:09,200
who's witnessing it because

1148
00:42:13,910 --> 00:42:10,720
to that person

1149
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:13,920
they could see something that at a like

1150
00:42:19,349 --> 00:42:16,560
i live right on a flight path

1151
00:42:21,670 --> 00:42:19,359
and i see orange orbs every night

1152
00:42:23,750 --> 00:42:21,680
every night without fail this same

1153
00:42:25,510 --> 00:42:23,760
follow track and i even like i got

1154
00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:25,520
really excited i thought about texting

1155
00:42:29,430 --> 00:42:28,079
joe and sent another video like dude

1156
00:42:30,790 --> 00:42:29,440
and then you know i decided like

1157
00:42:33,349 --> 00:42:30,800
something in my head told me to wait

1158
00:42:35,109 --> 00:42:33,359
just wait wait till tomorrow and then

1159
00:42:36,630 --> 00:42:35,119
sure enough the same thing happened the

1160
00:42:38,150 --> 00:42:36,640
next night and the next night

1161
00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:38,160
it's there there were planes but they're

1162
00:42:42,870 --> 00:42:41,040
so far away that i guess the angle and

1163
00:42:44,390 --> 00:42:42,880
the time that i that i usually go out

1164
00:42:46,550 --> 00:42:44,400
and look take my dogs out the way the

1165
00:42:48,790 --> 00:42:46,560
sun's is the way it's reflecting makes

1166
00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:48,800
it look like a certain way yeah well you

1167
00:42:54,230 --> 00:42:50,880
can't see the uh

1168
00:42:56,870 --> 00:42:54,240
uh like the metal faa regulation

1169
00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:56,880
flashing is as as prominent unless you

1170
00:43:00,550 --> 00:42:58,560
have like i've got a pretty nice camera

1171
00:43:02,470 --> 00:43:00,560
it's not like a

1172
00:43:05,430 --> 00:43:02,480
not glow-in-the-dark camera night vision

1173
00:43:06,550 --> 00:43:05,440
camera but uh you can't see it as well

1174
00:43:08,069 --> 00:43:06,560
that'd be cool if it was a glow in the

1175
00:43:11,270 --> 00:43:08,079
dark

1176
00:43:14,230 --> 00:43:11,280
uh would never lose it but it would uh i

1177
00:43:16,069 --> 00:43:14,240
couldn't see the blinking as well uh and

1178
00:43:17,829 --> 00:43:16,079
that was that was it it was just like i

1179
00:43:19,990 --> 00:43:17,839
had a routine and it was all it was all

1180
00:43:21,750 --> 00:43:20,000
me like i created this this thing and

1181
00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:21,760
just because i'm into it but like

1182
00:43:27,270 --> 00:43:24,720
i i i'm out there every every evening at

1183
00:43:28,710 --> 00:43:27,280
the same exact time so yes like jamie

1184
00:43:32,790 --> 00:43:28,720
like the sun is

1185
00:43:37,910 --> 00:43:35,589
disturbing my perception of of these

1186
00:43:40,630 --> 00:43:37,920
lights and i don't know like i think it

1187
00:43:43,910 --> 00:43:40,640
does depend on who is viewing this stuff

1188
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:43,920
because if a person weren't to have were

1189
00:43:47,990 --> 00:43:46,000
not to have that discernment and wait a

1190
00:43:50,390 --> 00:43:48,000
couple days and make sure

1191
00:43:52,790 --> 00:43:50,400
then they would firmly believe

1192
00:43:55,430 --> 00:43:52,800
that they saw ufo and then

1193
00:43:57,990 --> 00:43:55,440
human ego comes in and somebody says

1194
00:44:00,470 --> 00:43:58,000
you're wrong and then your automatic uh

1195
00:44:01,589 --> 00:44:00,480
transaction for that uh

1196
00:44:03,990 --> 00:44:01,599
thing is like

1197
00:44:05,670 --> 00:44:04,000
i have to protect my ego like no you're

1198
00:44:09,109 --> 00:44:05,680
wrong so then you

1199
00:44:12,230 --> 00:44:10,550
it seems like that happens a lot in the

1200
00:44:13,910 --> 00:44:12,240
ufo community in general it's like

1201
00:44:15,589 --> 00:44:13,920
people have these experiences you have a

1202
00:44:18,069 --> 00:44:15,599
bunch of people who say i don't believe

1203
00:44:20,390 --> 00:44:18,079
that to be true and they go into this um

1204
00:44:22,069 --> 00:44:20,400
defense mode where it's like well now

1205
00:44:24,470 --> 00:44:22,079
you're questioning my beliefs this is

1206
00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:24,480
something i know that happened to me how

1207
00:44:27,589 --> 00:44:26,160
dare you make that so i think that

1208
00:44:29,109 --> 00:44:27,599
sometimes experiencers get a little bit

1209
00:44:30,790 --> 00:44:29,119
of a bad rep because it seems like we

1210
00:44:33,030 --> 00:44:30,800
come off aggressively or we have these

1211
00:44:34,870 --> 00:44:33,040
like very stern ways or ideas but it's

1212
00:44:36,230 --> 00:44:34,880
like you're literally trying to like

1213
00:44:37,750 --> 00:44:36,240
it's basically telling me that if i

1214
00:44:39,349 --> 00:44:37,760
believed in jesus christ you're walking

1215
00:44:41,430 --> 00:44:39,359
in into my front door telling me well

1216
00:44:43,109 --> 00:44:41,440
jesus isn't real you that's

1217
00:44:45,349 --> 00:44:43,119
the person you think is your god is not

1218
00:44:47,750 --> 00:44:45,359
real and so it's like well wait a second

1219
00:44:49,750 --> 00:44:47,760
hold on you're now we're gonna argue

1220
00:44:52,069 --> 00:44:49,760
with each other because you're going in

1221
00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:52,079
against what i believe so i think that

1222
00:44:55,030 --> 00:44:54,160
we have to take that into consideration

1223
00:44:59,270 --> 00:44:55,040
when we're

1224
00:45:00,790 --> 00:44:59,280
they've experienced

1225
00:45:02,309 --> 00:45:00,800
true

1226
00:45:04,470 --> 00:45:02,319
definitely can't mess with someone's

1227
00:45:06,309 --> 00:45:04,480
experience man i tell you that

1228
00:45:08,710 --> 00:45:06,319
well hey guys we got about five minutes

1229
00:45:11,190 --> 00:45:08,720
left so i want to get into some uh some

1230
00:45:13,109 --> 00:45:11,200
of jerry's final thoughts

1231
00:45:21,589 --> 00:45:13,119
jerry

1232
00:45:22,630 --> 00:45:21,599
thoughts wait what's the what's the

1233
00:45:23,990 --> 00:45:22,640
little uh

1234
00:45:25,430 --> 00:45:24,000
when you bring the pizza out that's the

1235
00:45:27,190 --> 00:45:25,440
hedgehog with bad wings back there

1236
00:45:28,550 --> 00:45:27,200
somebody someone in the chat chris um

1237
00:45:31,510 --> 00:45:28,560
holmes said who's that little fat guy

1238
00:45:33,430 --> 00:45:31,520
this is uh the jersey devil

1239
00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:33,440
i like it so when we when we were doing

1240
00:45:36,550 --> 00:45:34,800
cryptic corner cryptic corner for a

1241
00:45:38,390 --> 00:45:36,560
while we were uh drawing the cryptids

1242
00:45:39,910 --> 00:45:38,400
before we would do the episode so we did

1243
00:45:41,589 --> 00:45:39,920
an episode on the jersey devil and this

1244
00:45:43,349 --> 00:45:41,599
is my interpretation because i can't

1245
00:45:46,069 --> 00:45:43,359
draw but i could draw circles and i like

1246
00:45:47,670 --> 00:45:46,079
little fat squishy things so

1247
00:45:49,750 --> 00:45:47,680
i feel like you should make a little

1248
00:45:51,270 --> 00:45:49,760
like like plushy pillow out of that

1249
00:45:54,309 --> 00:45:51,280
thing right right

1250
00:45:56,550 --> 00:45:54,319
so funny oh so cute

1251
00:45:58,870 --> 00:45:56,560
does it have little horns is that like

1252
00:46:00,790 --> 00:45:58,880
lamb it's like basically lamb with okay

1253
00:46:03,190 --> 00:46:00,800
with like bat wings oh that's all right

1254
00:46:04,230 --> 00:46:03,200
that's cute i love that

1255
00:46:07,030 --> 00:46:04,240
yeah

1256
00:46:07,990 --> 00:46:07,040
who drew it buddy i did i did i painted

1257
00:46:12,829 --> 00:46:08,000
it

1258
00:46:13,109 --> 00:46:12,839
do art we

1259
00:46:15,670 --> 00:46:13,119
yeah of art yeah i can see all your

1260
00:46:20,069 --> 00:46:18,150
finger paintings back there yeah 100

1261
00:46:24,950 --> 00:46:20,079
hey this one's my

1262
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:36,309
be careful

1263
00:46:39,910 --> 00:46:38,470
i love how you just refuse to break eye

1264
00:46:42,390 --> 00:46:39,920
contact

1265
00:46:43,829 --> 00:46:42,400
because i'm making [\h__\h]

1266
00:46:46,550 --> 00:46:43,839
oh okay god

1267
00:46:49,109 --> 00:46:46,560
no one donate right now please

1268
00:46:51,589 --> 00:46:49,119
i forgot about it

1269
00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:51,599
or everybody my name goes down so i'm

1270
00:46:55,109 --> 00:46:53,760
like please don't donate

1271
00:46:58,790 --> 00:46:55,119
donate

1272
00:47:03,190 --> 00:47:01,589
this is my little joshua tree ufo oh

1273
00:47:05,190 --> 00:47:03,200
that's cool

1274
00:47:08,550 --> 00:47:05,200
isn't that cute

1275
00:47:11,740 --> 00:47:08,560
very talented fingers i'm just gonna

1276
00:47:17,190 --> 00:47:15,349
[Laughter]

1277
00:47:19,430 --> 00:47:17,200
unless someone donates a hundred dollars

1278
00:47:21,589 --> 00:47:19,440
then she'll put it away right now oh no

1279
00:47:23,990 --> 00:47:21,599
she's right that's right

1280
00:47:25,510 --> 00:47:24,000
fries no night i'm not going over there

1281
00:47:27,349 --> 00:47:25,520
we should talk with my friends no night

1282
00:47:29,430 --> 00:47:27,359
crawlers that are behind

1283
00:47:31,910 --> 00:47:29,440
we should do uh uh extraterrestrial

1284
00:47:34,230 --> 00:47:31,920
painting with uh a twist where we all

1285
00:47:36,150 --> 00:47:34,240
paint uh thing and then we donate it to

1286
00:47:38,790 --> 00:47:36,160
whoever

1287
00:47:39,990 --> 00:47:38,800
donates the most yes

1288
00:47:42,150 --> 00:47:40,000
do it

1289
00:47:43,589 --> 00:47:42,160
but it but we'll also be sure

1290
00:47:45,270 --> 00:47:43,599
we'll be shirtless let's do it let's do

1291
00:47:46,710 --> 00:47:45,280
it we'll have some wine we'll have some

1292
00:47:49,510 --> 00:47:46,720
conversations and we'll paint i love

1293
00:47:51,829 --> 00:47:49,520
that yeah that's what i like to do baby

1294
00:47:53,829 --> 00:47:51,839
boom all right what what we we've we

1295
00:47:55,510 --> 00:47:53,839
totally blew over jerry's final thoughts

1296
00:47:57,270 --> 00:47:55,520
so yeah i don't know hey we only got a

1297
00:47:59,510 --> 00:47:57,280
couple minutes left guys like i was

1298
00:48:01,349 --> 00:47:59,520
saying earlier this is going to be uh

1299
00:48:03,589 --> 00:48:01,359
you know totally topless two topic

1300
00:48:04,549 --> 00:48:03,599
tuesday is going to be a a short episode

1301
00:48:05,750 --> 00:48:04,559
that we're going to be putting out it's

1302
00:48:07,750 --> 00:48:05,760
going to be anywhere from about 30

1303
00:48:09,589 --> 00:48:07,760
minutes to an hour so it's a little

1304
00:48:11,589 --> 00:48:09,599
quicker it's a little bit more put

1305
00:48:13,589 --> 00:48:11,599
together and it's less uh you know

1306
00:48:15,670 --> 00:48:13,599
rabbit holes that we go down but uh

1307
00:48:16,950 --> 00:48:15,680
before we get out of here on the very

1308
00:48:20,069 --> 00:48:16,960
first

1309
00:48:22,470 --> 00:48:20,079
totally topless two topic tuesday that's

1310
00:48:23,750 --> 00:48:22,480
a tongue twister

1311
00:48:24,870 --> 00:48:23,760
what do you guys think man y'all have a

1312
00:48:27,829 --> 00:48:24,880
good time

1313
00:48:29,829 --> 00:48:27,839
oh it's awesome this is fantastic any

1314
00:48:31,030 --> 00:48:29,839
any time you guys need guests on and you

1315
00:48:33,430 --> 00:48:31,040
don't have anyone you don't do by

1316
00:48:34,150 --> 00:48:33,440
yourselves call us we're in

1317
00:48:36,230 --> 00:48:34,160
yeah

1318
00:48:38,150 --> 00:48:36,240
we'll drop our top for y'all we'll drop

1319
00:48:40,230 --> 00:48:38,160
our cops for you guys any day and this

1320
00:48:41,990 --> 00:48:40,240
is totally open to anybody out there

1321
00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:42,000
that if you want to come on

1322
00:48:46,230 --> 00:48:44,880
on on tuesday just uh hit us up give us

1323
00:48:47,990 --> 00:48:46,240
a message we're going to be reaching out

1324
00:48:49,510 --> 00:48:48,000
to people we don't know who's going to

1325
00:48:51,349 --> 00:48:49,520
be interested and who's not going to be

1326
00:48:53,670 --> 00:48:51,359
interested but what is going to be

1327
00:48:56,150 --> 00:48:53,680
interesting is finding out who is

1328
00:48:58,309 --> 00:48:56,160
interested so i'm i'm pretty excited

1329
00:49:00,069 --> 00:48:58,319
about it yes

1330
00:49:02,230 --> 00:49:00,079
you know it's going to be good stuff

1331
00:49:04,710 --> 00:49:02,240
it's going to be good stuff well bree

1332
00:49:06,870 --> 00:49:04,720
jamie this has been a a great evening

1333
00:49:08,870 --> 00:49:06,880
thank you we love you guys so much thank

1334
00:49:11,670 --> 00:49:08,880
y'all for sharing your opinions on that

1335
00:49:14,069 --> 00:49:11,680
topic and uh we'll have you back on very

1336
00:49:15,430 --> 00:49:14,079
soon anytime anytime love you guys love

1337
00:49:17,589 --> 00:49:15,440
you guys thank you so much see y'all

1338
00:49:19,990 --> 00:49:17,599
later

1339
00:49:23,430 --> 00:49:20,000
i i did it again i'm sorry jamie did it

1340
00:49:28,549 --> 00:49:26,309
okay oh man well not bad dude sorry

1341
00:49:30,870 --> 00:49:28,559
not bad for our our first one our first

1342
00:49:32,790 --> 00:49:30,880
totally topless two-topic tuesday man

1343
00:49:35,589 --> 00:49:32,800
topless dude

1344
00:49:37,829 --> 00:49:35,599
two topic twos dean that was good stuff

1345
00:49:40,710 --> 00:49:37,839
man it was a lot of fun dude that was i

1346
00:49:44,069 --> 00:49:40,720
i love those gals they uh uh they're

1347
00:49:46,309 --> 00:49:44,079
they're dear friends and uh dude we were

1348
00:49:48,309 --> 00:49:46,319
having that conv i mean this all started

1349
00:49:49,910 --> 00:49:48,319
so randomly with uh

1350
00:49:50,870 --> 00:49:49,920
actually started with william william

1351
00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:50,880
posted

1352
00:49:54,950 --> 00:49:53,280
on facebook like a live video of him

1353
00:49:57,510 --> 00:49:54,960
like hey guys check out the show tonight

1354
00:49:59,349 --> 00:49:57,520
and he was he was shirtless like and i

1355
00:50:02,309 --> 00:49:59,359
thought that was hilarious so

1356
00:50:04,470 --> 00:50:02,319
we're like when he did his show on on on

1357
00:50:06,470 --> 00:50:04,480
the channel i was in the chat like pop

1358
00:50:08,549 --> 00:50:06,480
that top off willy would you join yeah

1359
00:50:10,870 --> 00:50:08,559
you're advertising this and and giving

1360
00:50:13,670 --> 00:50:10,880
us not well we give the people what they

1361
00:50:16,950 --> 00:50:13,680
want so i mean i had from that and then

1362
00:50:20,230 --> 00:50:16,960
and then uh uh our buddy

1363
00:50:21,750 --> 00:50:20,240
yeah tony hopped on uh was it two weeks

1364
00:50:23,670 --> 00:50:21,760
ago yeah

1365
00:50:27,109 --> 00:50:23,680
and uh

1366
00:50:28,470 --> 00:50:27,119
he was shirtless and then and then like

1367
00:50:30,390 --> 00:50:28,480
i brought him out and they were like hey

1368
00:50:32,150 --> 00:50:30,400
how funny would it be we were shirtless

1369
00:50:34,790 --> 00:50:32,160
when he came back on

1370
00:50:36,390 --> 00:50:34,800
and so i just became this whole thing uh

1371
00:50:38,069 --> 00:50:36,400
just give it some background for people

1372
00:50:41,589 --> 00:50:38,079
that are just joining and have no idea

1373
00:50:43,829 --> 00:50:41,599
what's going on but um yeah i i i think

1374
00:50:45,270 --> 00:50:43,839
i think we got something fun here dude

1375
00:50:47,990 --> 00:50:45,280
yeah

1376
00:50:49,910 --> 00:50:48,000
it's gonna be a thing dude every tuesday

1377
00:50:51,910 --> 00:50:49,920
so you guys will get to catch us twice

1378
00:50:53,109 --> 00:50:51,920
you'll get the the short version on

1379
00:50:54,470 --> 00:50:53,119
tuesdays

1380
00:50:55,750 --> 00:50:54,480
and then you'll get the long version on

1381
00:50:57,510 --> 00:50:55,760
thursdays

1382
00:50:59,670 --> 00:50:57,520
sounds pretty good to me

1383
00:51:02,630 --> 00:50:59,680
i like that a lot and we're also going

1384
00:51:05,030 --> 00:51:02,640
to be starting to uh add short stories

1385
00:51:08,230 --> 00:51:05,040
short stories yeah we did i pop i

1386
00:51:11,270 --> 00:51:08,240
published the one on the podcast haven't

1387
00:51:13,270 --> 00:51:11,280
gotten uh much feedback on that so guys

1388
00:51:15,030 --> 00:51:13,280
if y'all are fans of the show and and

1389
00:51:16,230 --> 00:51:15,040
and started on the podcast side of

1390
00:51:17,829 --> 00:51:16,240
things and

1391
00:51:20,390 --> 00:51:17,839
maybe you're just a subscriber on

1392
00:51:21,349 --> 00:51:20,400
youtube i had no idea we had a podcast

1393
00:51:23,109 --> 00:51:21,359
uh

1394
00:51:25,990 --> 00:51:23,119
i mean i'd love some feedback we're just

1395
00:51:28,309 --> 00:51:26,000
trying some new stuff we want to

1396
00:51:31,430 --> 00:51:28,319
we love doing this and talking about uh

1397
00:51:32,790 --> 00:51:31,440
aliens ufos ufos aliens all things right

1398
00:51:34,710 --> 00:51:32,800
but we're like we're trying to push the

1399
00:51:36,470 --> 00:51:34,720
envelope with a couple of things and i

1400
00:51:39,030 --> 00:51:36,480
think that new episode like it's a five

1401
00:51:41,349 --> 00:51:39,040
minute episode like get to the facts

1402
00:51:43,990 --> 00:51:41,359
have a little bit of fun and and you get

1403
00:51:48,309 --> 00:51:44,000
to hear big willy's amazing silky smooth

1404
00:51:50,549 --> 00:51:48,319
voice so oh yeah oh yeah hell yeah man

1405
00:51:53,430 --> 00:51:50,559
well sweet dude this was a good one

1406
00:51:54,390 --> 00:51:53,440
i had a good time me too man

1407
00:51:56,230 --> 00:51:54,400
uh

1408
00:51:57,750 --> 00:51:56,240
so what do you want to do now well now

1409
00:52:00,150 --> 00:51:57,760
i'm gonna get out of here take a shower

1410
00:52:02,150 --> 00:52:00,160
and get ready to go to bed oh i want to

1411
00:52:04,150 --> 00:52:02,160
keep going though i'm excited that's

1412
00:52:05,990 --> 00:52:04,160
what thursday's for i can't collect you

1413
00:52:08,950 --> 00:52:06,000
you're missing the entire point of

1414
00:52:14,309 --> 00:52:11,430
you gotta leave the people want more

1415
00:52:17,030 --> 00:52:14,319
oh my gosh like the mandalorian with

1416
00:52:18,549 --> 00:52:17,040
their goddamn 15-minute episodes

1417
00:52:20,230 --> 00:52:18,559
in the book of boba fett that [\h__\h]

1418
00:52:22,790 --> 00:52:20,240
pisses me off so yeah the book of boba

1419
00:52:24,790 --> 00:52:22,800
fett's like what like 15 seconds long

1420
00:52:26,230 --> 00:52:24,800
they tear me off

1421
00:52:27,910 --> 00:52:26,240
it really does feel like they're 15

1422
00:52:29,670 --> 00:52:27,920
minutes but they're like

1423
00:52:31,030 --> 00:52:29,680
it's terrible they're like an hour but

1424
00:52:33,430 --> 00:52:31,040
they feel like 15 minutes i don't know

1425
00:52:35,510 --> 00:52:33,440
because they're so good they're so good

1426
00:52:37,589 --> 00:52:35,520
all right dude all right i'm i'm about

1427
00:52:39,510 --> 00:52:37,599
to sign off all right dude oh yeah you

1428
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:39,520
guys have a good one man talk to y'all

1429
00:52:55,950 --> 00:52:53,010
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1430
00:52:58,230 --> 00:52:55,960
[Applause]

1431
00:53:04,160 --> 00:52:58,240
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